Well Juergen, anyone who has even a rudimentary knowledge of US history, and the Constitution would know that no, we are not a Christian nation, never was and will never be.
Why?
There are 2 specific documents which forbid the United States from being a Christian nation:
The US Constitution states, categorically, that Congress may not establish ANY religion as the national religion, in the First Amendment. You know, that whole Separation of Church and States that Republicans, Conservatives, and Christian extremists like yourself try to ignore.
The Treaty of Tripoli 1796/1797 (due to travel), which was signed by President John Adams, and ratified UNANIMOUSLY states, in Article 11, that we were not founded as a Christian nation, nor will we ever be one.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
So, no, the United States is NOT a Christian nation.
Regard “heresy and blatant blasphemy” and then you go on your little tirade about Jews and “heathens” denigrating “Lord Jesus”, well, I hate to break it to you pal, but Christians are the ones denigrating “Lord Jesus” by their words, deeds and actions, all of which go against everything he taught.
For example, you “Christians”, “Catholics”, “Orthodoxes” etc who claim that life begins at conception..
Life does not begin at conception, nor does ensoulment, nor is it considered a human until it is formed whole and takes its first breath.
How do we know this? Because GOD says so:
Genesis 2:7:
7 And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.
Now doesn’t that suck for all of those who claim that as soon as the zygote is conceived it is a human being?
The next Christian, etc fallacy is about abortion being murder. Sorry, but the Bible verse you all try to use to claim it’s murder does the opposite. But first, let’s define some terms, shall we?
Miscarriage: Expulsion of a zygote, embryo or fetus prior to it’s ability to survive outside the womb, resulting in termination of the zygote, embryo or fetus.
Abortion: An induced miscarriage.
Induced: To cause something to occur.
Murder: Termination of a life with malicious intent,
So, let’s get to the Bible passage, shall we?
In Exodus 21:1 God lays down the laws, literally. This is a COMMANDMENT or Law of God in Exodus 21:22–25:
22 And should men quarrel and hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries but there is no fatality, he shall surely be punished, when the woman’s husband makes demands of him, and he shall give [restitution] according to the judges’ [orders].
23 But if there is a fatality, you shall give a life for a life,
24 an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot,
25 a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise.
Now, just verse 22 is actually sufficient enough, but 23 says it succinctly.
In 22, 2 men are fighting, one hits the woman causing her to miscarry, but there is no fatality.
He causes (induces) the woman to miscarry (termination of a zygote, embryo or fetus prior to its ability to survive outside the womb), but there is no fatality.
So one of the 2 men fighting causes an abortion to occur to the woman, which automatically means the zygote, embryo or fetus dies, but there is no fatality, the man pays a fine. But if there is a fatality, meaning the woman, the man dies too.
Therefore, per Scripture, the abortion is not considered murder, as murder requires malicious intent, and the man did not intend to strike the woman to abort the zygote, embryo or fetus. In an abortion, there is not maliciousness, just an intent to cause a miscarriage for whatever reason. Malicious intent requires someone to do something out of spite, anger, hate, etc. A desire not to have a baby at that time, is not malicious.
Christians also claim that abortion is a sin, especially Catholics. Unfortunately for you guys, it’s not. Once again, we have one of God’s Commandments, and whether you like it or not, GOD’S LAWS are not superseded by your “Lord Jesus”:
Kohen is a Temple Priest
Curse is miscarriage
Thigh in this passage, the “thigh” means between the thighs where the menstrual blood flows.
Exodus 5:19-
19 The kohen shall then place her under oath, and say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you and you have not gone astray to become defiled [to another] in place of your husband, then [you will] be absolved through these bitter waters which cause the curse.
20 But as for you, if you have gone astray [to another] instead of your husband and have become defiled, and another man besides your husband has lain with you…”
21 he kohen shall now adjure the woman with the oath of the curse, and the kohen shall say to the woman, “May the Lord make you for a curse and an oath among your people, when the Lord causes your thigh to rupture and your belly to swell.
22 For these curse bearing waters shall enter your innards, causing the belly to swell and the thigh to rupture,” and the woman shall say, “Amen, amen.”
23 Then the kohen shall write these curses on a scroll and erase it in the bitter water.
24 He shall then give the bitter, curse bearing waters to the woman to drink, and the curse bearing waters shall enter her to become bitter.
25 The kohen shall take the meal offering of jealousies from the woman’s hand, wave the meal offering before the Lord, and bring it to the altar.
26 The kohen shall scoop out from the meal offering its reminder and burn it upon the altar, and then he shall give the woman the water to drink.
27 He shall make her drink the water, and it shall be that, if she had been defiled and was unfaithful to her husband, the curse bearing waters shall enter her to become bitter, and her belly will swell, and her thigh will rupture. The woman will be a curse among her people.
28 But if the woman had not become defiled and she is clean, she shall be exempted and bear seed.
So, strip all the flowery and redundant words and we get this:
Woman is accused of infidelity and that the other man got her pregnant. Priest created a drink that, if she is guilty, the pregnancy will be aborted, if she’s not guilty, nothing will happen and the husband will know the baby is his and she didn’t commit adultery and there will be no abortion.
So, if the Priest causes an abortion because of God’s Law, how can abortion be a sin or murder? It can’t be.
Now, as to “What happened?” You’re not going to like this, but….it’s because people started to compare the Christian Old Testament, and the Jewish Tanakh and they found out that Christians changed a whole lot of stuff in order to make your “Lord Jesus” to be the Messiah and the Son of God/Man, and to invent the “Virgin Birth”, and to hide the fact that Jesus did not posses the personal qualifications to be the Messiah, nor did he fulfill ANY of the Messianic prophecies. And God COMMANDS that people like him be called FALSE Messiahs. They also found out, thanks to the Sinai Codex, the oldest Christian bible with the entire New Testament intact, that Christianity has been altering it’s own bible for more than 1,000 years.
So, let’s see some examples on how Christianity altered the Tanakh to steal it and make it theirs, shall we? And remember, Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness (lie), and Thou Shalt Not Steal (take something that belongs to someone else and make it yours):
Zechariah 12:10 − The Hebrew Tanakh: “and they shall look upon me whom they have stabbed/ thrust through [with swords”)
The King James Version of Zechariah changes one word [stabbed] to “pierced.”
BUT John 19:37 (New Testament) misquotes Zechariah to change the entire meaning by saying, “They shall look on him (instead of ME) whom they pierced.”
Isaiah 7:14 − The Hebrew Tanakh says “Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman (alma) is with child, and she will bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”
**Take note, this was written in the present tense.
But the Greek Septuagint changed “alma,” saying “Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (Matthew 1:22-23).
The church changed the entire verse from present to FUTURE tense and then went further to change the Hebrew alma, meaning a young woman to virgin.
Psalm 16:9-10 − (KJV) “Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. (10) For thou will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer thine Holy One to see corruption”. Why not continue to the next verse? Christians can not because David wasn’t talking about Jesus; David was talking about himself. (Psalm 16:11) “You will show me the path of life, in your presence is fullness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures for evermore.”
Psalm 16:9-10 in the Hebrew Tanakh says “Therefore, my heart rejoiced and my soul was glad; even my flesh shall dwell in safety. For You shall not forsake my soul to the grave; You shall not allow Your pious one to see the pit.”
Where is ‘Hell’, and ‘Corruption’ as the New Testament stated? It did not exist! .
The Hebrew translation of Psalm 16:10 tells of David again talking to God, rejoicing that God will not forsake his soul to the grave. While David is alive he will dwell in safety because God will protect his flesh from injury, and God will show him the way. Does verse 11 relate to Jesus? If Jesus is part of the godhead, as Christians say, how can God show him the way?
You’ll notice that Christianity also invented Hell, because it DOES NOT EXIST IN THE TANAKH, which means Satan, the Devil, purgatory, etc DO NOT EXIST either.
Isaiah 9:5 − The Hebrew Tanakh reads: “For a child has been born to us, a son has been given us and authority has settled on his shoulders. He has been named “The Mighty G-d” Isaiah was referring to King Hezekiah, son of Ahaz.
Again, in an attempt to insert a Jesus prophecy, the KJV changed the tense from the present to the future, making it, “A child is born, a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty God”. [In Hebrew Hezekiah means “the mighty God.”]
In John, the New Testament author tries to make Jesus as the perfect sacrificial lamb of God (who then supposedly takes away the sins of the world) and relate this to the Jewish Passover. [John’s writings have Jesus die on Passover, while the other Gospel authors say he died the day after.] John 19:32-36 tells of soldiers breaking the legs of the crucifixion victims to hasten their deaths, yet sparing Jesus because he was already dead. To this end the author of John supposedly quotes Hebrew Scripture saying, “For these things were done, that the Scripture should be fulfilled, a bone of him shall not be broken.” The New Testament “fulfilled prophecy” supposedly refers to Exodus 12:46; Numbers 9:12 and to Psalms 34:20.
Notice how conveniently John changed the entire meaning by simply changing of Exodus 12:46 by changing one word: “it” to “him.” Exodus 12:46 refers to the PASSOVER-offering, “…and you shall not break a bone in it (the animal).”
Numbers 9:12 again refer to the PASSOVER-offering, “…nor shall they break a bone of it”. Again, by changing one word, the original message is lost.
Psalms 34:20 refers to David saying no one becomes truly righteous and great without his share of mishaps,
CONTINUATION:
He guards all his bones, even one of them was not broken.” Nothing ever shows that this Psalm was intended as prophetic, certainly not applying to the future fictitious character of Jesus.
(NOTE: Jesus would have been disqualified as a Passover ‘sacrifice’ because the female lamb had to be “without blemish.” Jesus was wounded, whipped and mutilated.)
Now I could continue, but I won’t. Let’s move on to Jesus not being the prophesized Messiah…
The Tanakh states (as should the Christian Old Testament) that in order to be the Messiah, there are 3 personal qualifications:
He/she must be the greatest prophet in history, next to Moses. Isaiah 11:2
He/she must be directly related to King David, through his son, King Solomon. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)
Further, he/she must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24)
Now, according to Christianity, God was the father of Jesus, so he cannot be the Messiah.
In Judaism, your tribe and lineage is patrilineal. If you are adopted, you do not take on your step-father’s tribe or lineage. ONLY your biological FATHER. For tribe and lineage, your mother’s line does not count at all, so even if Joseph was Jesus’ biological father, Joseph is not descended from King David through Solomon.
And the 3rd personal qualification is complete Torah Observance. Even in the Christian New Testament Jesus is shown to violate God’s Law prohibiting working on the Sabbath. John 9:14–16
The Tanakh states that all Laws/Commandments remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Tanakh is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4), and as said in your New Testament, Jesus changes the Laws of God and is therefore a false prophet.
Now, the Tanakh also states the Messiah will do certain things, ALL of them in one human lifetime, and that the Messiah will not be an angel, demigod, or divine in any way. So, what are these things?
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).
So, while Jesus lived, the 2nd Temple still stood, as it was not destroyed by the Romans until 70 CE, decades after the death of Jesus.
Jesus obviously did not gather all the Jews back to the Land of Israel.
Jesus did not usher in a period of world peace, and there is still suffering, disease, oppression, hatred, violence, etc…a lot of it caused by Christians.
Jesus did not spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, because if he had, there wouldn’t be so many other religions, just Judaism.
Now that I’ve used the Old Testament to disprove Jesus as the Messiah, and that Christianity is founded on lies and a stolen and then altered Tanakh, time to provide some examples of how Christianity has been altering it’s own Bible…
Here’s a great example, Christians added 12 entire lines to Mark!
The Markan Resurrection
(Mark 16: 1–14)
King James Version
1 “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Codex Sinaiticus
1 “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, they even altered the Lord’s Prayer!
The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:9–13)
King James Version
9 Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Codex Sinaiticus
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name,
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be
done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we
forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
And then they made up some stuff too!
The woman caught in adultery (John 7:53–8:11)
King James Version
7:53 And every man went unto his own house.
8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 and early in the morning he came again
into the temple, and all the people came
unto him: and he sat down, and taught them
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Codex Sinaiticus
Completely absent.
King James Version
Luke 24:51: “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”
Mark 1:1: “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
Luke 9:55–56: “But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.”
Codex Sinaiticus
Luke 24:51 Omits “carried up into heaven.” Leaving no ascension in the Gospels.
Mark 1:1 Adds the phrase “the Son of God” only above the line, as a later addition.
Luke 9:55–56: “But he turned and rebuked them. And they went to another village.”
King James Version
Matthew 24:36: “But of that day and
hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven, but my
Father only.”
Codex Sinaiticus
Matthew 24:36: “But of that day and
hour knoweth no man, neither the
angels of heaven, nor the Son, but
the Father only.”
So kindly stick the talk of “Heresy” and “Blasphemy” where the sun doesn’t shine because Christians and Christianity itself are complete lies created by stealing the Jewish Tanakh and altering it and then making up the New Testament.
And by the way, GOD states that ALL may enter Heaven, EVEN THOSE THAT KNOW HIM NOT AT ALL OR REJECT HIM.
God states that to enter Heaven you must either be righteous or to atone for your errors.
So, how does one become righteous?
For Jews: Must abide by all 613 Commandments, or at least those that apply to you, for example the menstruation Laws wouldn’t apply to me, because I’m a guy.
For Non-Jews: Abide by the 7 Laws of Noah.
For the rest of us…oh wait, I need to clear another couple of lies by Christianity up…
Christians talk about sin, much like you did. Well, here’s the thing, sin as Christianity and Islam see it, DOES NOT EXIST.
The word chatta’bah which Christians translated wrong means “to miss the mark”, such as in archery missing the bullseye. It is something that can be fixed by mindfulness and by practice. There is NO EVIL CONNOTATION to it whatsoever. It’s a mistake, an error, a screw up, an “oopsie”.
Additionally, there is no Satan, Lucifer nor Devil in the Tanakh, those were created by Christianity. There is a word, “ha-satan” in the Tanakh, it is in there 3 times. Twice it refers to an angel of God who whines that so and so only praises and loves God because of all the crap God gave to him. God says, “Ok, go take it away and I bet he’ll still love and worship me.” The word ha-satan means “adversary”, or “prosecutor”. In these 2 cases, the angels are acting as prosecuting attorneys, laying a charge against someone, the judge says let’s see your evidence, the prosecutor fails to provide evidence, and the judge (God) says, “told you so, dumb ass” and dismisses all charges. The 3rd time it is used to identify a HUMAN, specifically an Edomite General attacking the Israelites. So if ha-satan is used to describe a human, “Satan” cannot be a fallen angel, or a Devil or some schmuck named Lucifer.
Anyway, for the rest of us who die and aren’t righteous, we (and the Righteous do too, but it’s just a pitstop for them) all go to a place called Sheol. Sheol is described as a shadowy grey place difficult to see in. I figure something akin to London fog and no lights on in London. Anyway, you get there you’re shown all your mistakes and you choose whether or not you will make them right via atonement. If you choose yes, you work towards atonement, you have all eternity to get it right, and once you do, you go to Heaven.
Those who refuse, or revel in their mistakes do NOT go to Hell, do NOT get tortured for all eternity, do NOT get tormented for all eternity….
No deity who calls himself a loving, caring, merciful God would EVER do that, as that’s neither loving, or caring or merciful in the freakin least, nor is sending your own child to be crucified, one of the most painful ways to die. That would be child endangerment, child abuse, intentional homicide, and a lot of other crimes.
Anyway, those who refuse or revel in their mistakes, their souls slowly fade away into non-existence over millennia. BUT, if at any time they change their minds or feel sympathy or regret, their soul is restored and they too have eternity to make things right, and if they do, go to Heaven.
It’s kind of funny how of all “modern” religions only 2 consign unbelievers and those who make mistakes to torment and torture for eternity. Coincidentally, both of them have Jesus. Christianity, where Jesus is the supposed Messiah and son of God, and Islam where Jesus is a teacher and prophet.
It’s also interesting to note that these 2 religions of “peace, love and brotherhood” as they claim, are also responsible for the most atrocities and deaths in wars or battles based on religious reasons. How many deaths, well, murders/executions and torturing people to death can be laid at their feet? As of 2010, the last time I could find figures, over 773 MILLION slaughtered by Christians and Muslims in the name of their altered version of God and this person named Jesus.
So, you want to talk heresy and blasphemy? Look in the mirror, hypocrite.
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